Legislature(2015 - 2016)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/14/2016 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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08:59:34 AM Start
09:00:44 AM SB56
09:16:05 AM SB1
09:38:28 AM Public Testimony
11:03:36 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= SB 56 MUNI ENERGY IMPROVEMNT ASSESSMNTS/BONDS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ SB 1 REGULATION OF SMOKING TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
SENATE BILL NO. 56                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act adopting the  Municipal Property Assessed Clean                                                                    
     Energy  Act;  authorizing municipalities  to  establish                                                                    
     programs to impose  assessments for energy improvements                                                                    
     in  regions  designated   by  municipalities;  imposing                                                                    
     fees; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:00:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  MOVED to ADOPT the  committee substitute for                                                                    
SB 56, Work Draft 29-GS1021\H (Shutts, 4/15/15).                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon OBJECTED for DISCUSSION.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
GENE  TERRIAULT, DEPUTY  DIRECTOR, ALASKA  ENERGY AUTHORITY,                                                                    
JUNEAU,  explained the  committee substitute.  He noted  the                                                                    
addition  of  the  first  four  sections  in  the  committee                                                                    
substitute,  which add  the pace  mechanism outlined  in the                                                                    
bill  to the  list  of  powers for  first  and second  class                                                                    
municipalities. He explained that  it was determined that it                                                                    
was left out  of the original committee  substitute when the                                                                    
bill was heard in the other body.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  WITHDREW her  OBJECTION. There  being NO                                                                    
OBJECTION, the committee substitute was adopted.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:03:56 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:04:11 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  noted  that   the  public  hearing  was                                                                    
closed.  She  looked  at the  previous  version,  which  may                                                                    
include  "extra-territorial jurisdiction."  She stated  that                                                                    
the new committee substitute held  that information, but did                                                                    
not  see   the  language.   She  queried   more  information                                                                    
regarding  that   issue.  She   noted  the   elimination  of                                                                    
"coterminous."  She  queried   a  definition  of  "reporting                                                                    
regarding assessment." She shared  that she had not reviewed                                                                    
the new committee  substitute. She wondered if  the types of                                                                    
qualified projects should be described  that were subject to                                                                    
the contractual  assessments. Mr.  Terriault looked  at page                                                                    
11,   line   8  for   the   definition   of  the   qualified                                                                    
improvements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon wondered  whether the  Fairbanks Natural                                                                    
Gas  Project qualify  for the  tax assessment  proposal. Mr.                                                                    
Terriault  responded  that,  should the  pace  mechanism  be                                                                    
allowed  for   local  governments  to  use,   the  Fairbanks                                                                    
Northstar  Borough was  most likely  the first  to implement                                                                    
and work with local lenders  in the state. He had identified                                                                    
federal fund  sources that  were targeted  energy efficiency                                                                    
improvements.  He  shared  that the  Energy  Efficiency  and                                                                    
Conservation Loan  Program. The federal funds  available for                                                                    
that program  were targeted  at approximately  $250 million.                                                                    
The money came  with a 2 percent interest rate,  so it was a                                                                    
low cost source  of capital. He shared  that the regulations                                                                    
for  the  program  specified  that  it  could  be  used  for                                                                    
replacement of  existing fuel  consuming equipment,  using a                                                                    
particular  fuel  with  a   more  efficient  fuel  consuming                                                                    
equipment that  used another fuel. He  stated that switching                                                                    
from fuel oil to natural gas would qualify.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  shared that  there would  be discussions                                                                    
regarding how the municipality would  ask the general public                                                                    
to  assess   their  personal  property   to  pay   back  the                                                                    
expenditure. Mr. Terriault indicated in the affirmative.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   asked  whether  revenue   bonds  would                                                                    
qualify.  Mr.  Terriault  replied  in  the  affirmative.  He                                                                    
stated that general obligation bonds were prohibited.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy wondered if the  bill was an enabling bill,                                                                    
as opposed  to a compulsory  bill. Mr. Terriault  replied in                                                                    
the affirmative. He  explained that bill allowed  a tool for                                                                    
local  government that  issued property  tax to  assist with                                                                    
energy efficiency financing.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  noted the efficiency of  switching to natural                                                                    
gas. He  wondered what  would occur  should the  natural gas                                                                    
price drastically  increase. He queried alternatives  to the                                                                    
program subscribers.  Mr. Terriault replied that  the person                                                                    
could  utilize funds,  should the  program  still exist.  He                                                                    
shared  that   the  tool  was   mostly  related   to  energy                                                                    
efficiency.  He remarked  that the  financing was  available                                                                    
for  any  energy  efficiency improvements  to  a  commercial                                                                    
building.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:10:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson noted  that the  recipient  of the  financing                                                                    
would be "stuck" with the change,  even with a change in the                                                                    
commodity price.  Mr. Terriault replied in  the affirmative.                                                                    
He shared  that, once the  improvements were made,  the loan                                                                    
must be paid back.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon wondered if  the program would access the                                                                    
municipal bond  bank or other  areas of the state  with debt                                                                    
or obligation. Mr. Terriault replied  that, should the local                                                                    
governments  chose to  participate, they  would provide  low                                                                    
cost capital  to the local  commercial property  owners. The                                                                    
local  government could  choose  a revenue  bond, but  there                                                                    
were  other federal  sources available.  He did  not believe                                                                    
that the bond  would default to a general  obligation of the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  stressed that she was  concerned whether                                                                    
the Municipal Bond Bank would  be used, and whether the debt                                                                    
would  be a  moral obligation  to the  state. Mr.  Terriault                                                                    
agreed to provide that information.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   remarked  that   she  was   trying  to                                                                    
understand the different types of debt in the state.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  asserted that a  small business could  use a                                                                    
private  lender  to  utilize   the  program.  Mr.  Terriault                                                                    
agreed. He noted  that the bill allowed  for private lenders                                                                    
to bring  a source of money.  The repayment was done  by the                                                                    
additional  voluntary assessment  that would  attach to  the                                                                    
property. The local government would  collect the money, and                                                                    
was contractually  obligated to take  the money to  pay back                                                                    
the bank.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB  56  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
4 CS SSSB 1(STA) Explanation of Changes.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
3 CS SSSB 1(STA) Sectional Analysis.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
6 CDC Testimony on Secondhand Smoke and ENDS Aerosol Alaska February 2015.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
7 Research & Source Docs.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
7.1 E-Cigarettes 2015.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
8 Legal Opinions.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
7.2 E-Cigarettes 2016.PDF SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
9 AS 44.29.020 Lethal effects of SHS.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
10 SoA Impacts.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
11 AK 2012 Public Opinion.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
11.1 AK 2015 Public Opinion.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
11.2 ACS CAN Alaska - Opinion Survey Results - Jan 29 2016.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
12 News Coverage.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
13 Smoke-Free Indoor Workplaces Supporters.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
14 CS SSSB 1 Support - Bristol Bay Native Corp..pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
1 CS SSSB 1(STA) SFIN Sponsor.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
SB 1 Support Letter Emery.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
SB 1 Electronic_Nicotine_Delivery_Systems_Key_Facts_Infographic_CDC.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
SB 1 CS SSSB 1(STA) PPT Presentation 031416.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
SB 1 Support Letter Rick Davis LTE (4).pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 4
SB 56 CS SB 56(FIN) version H.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 56
SB 56 AK Home Building Assoc PACE resolution.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 56
SB 56 - Sec Analysis Proposed CS SB56 Fin version H.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 56
SB 56 AML resolution of support for PACE legislation.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 56
SB 56 Demystifying PACE.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 56
SB 56 CS SB 56(FIN) version H.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 56
SB 1 Letter of Support - Eva Loken.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
SB 1 Hannah Brice Smith - Written Support Testimony.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
SB 1 Powers Smoke Free Workplace Support Letter to Sen Micciche.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
SB 1 Letter of Support Kulas.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
SB 1 American Heart Association Support Letter.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
SB 1 Letters of Opposition Packet 1.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
SB 1 Letters of Support Packet 1.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 1
SB 196 APA letter.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 196
SB 196 ANTHC support.pdf SFIN 3/14/2016 9:00:00 AM
SB 196